Carl Turner approached on Facebook messenger a few weeks ago offering me 2X 2020 pigeons, I asked him to send me the pedigrees which he did, because they were pigeons I didn’t have the same way bred, I agreed a deal with him. 2X children of Star Boy and a double grand dtr for “free). £1000 deal. I thought, I’ll sell the dbl grand daughter and the two children will stand me £350 which i could justify for children of Star Boy when paired to different hens that I didnt have the same way bred.
Fast forward to yesterday I received the pigeons.
This is the conversation with him after I realised i didn’t have the pigeons I did the deal on.
For context I was only interested in these pigeons being the age there were because I didn’t have same way bred. I had no interest in a 2019 hen that was same way bred as others I have here already.
This is the last conversation I had with him
This is the full conversation where he sent the pedigrees of the birds I agreed to buy (Before he thought he was being smart by removing the pedigrees from the conversation)
And this is the version after he removed the pedigrees images thinking he was being smart. But why would you even remove them if you had nothing to hide?
If he thought he was in the right, why would he remove images of the pedigrees of pigeons that we agreed the deal on?
He sent me the wrong pedigree for the dbl daughter (no big deal on this one it was one digital out on the ring number and understood it could be resolved. The 2020 cock he sent me came with correct and original pedigree…
Bit the hen, the hen is a year older than the one I agreed to buy and nothing like the pedigree he sent me with the different breeding I was interesting in , he then produced the actual pedigree and its same way bred as ones I have here.
So I thought it was reasonable to ask for a refund, (I would have asked him to refund just the hen, but thats a more complicated deal as he gave me the dbl child for ‘free’ as part of the deal. So instead I asked for the full refund, as I also said the hens clearly has only just finished rearing babies, no biggie if were the hen I actually agreed to buy.
So I’m putting this out there as a warning to others who may be tempted to deal with this little scumbag.
We did a deal on specific pigeons, he sent me a totally different pigeon, but apparently thats ok with him.
Have I got the time, inclination to pursue the little scumbag idiot? Nahh, not worth my time, hassle, I’ve got way too many other important things to spend my time on with my Pioneer Pigeons plans, idiots like this are just not worth the time, but at the same time people need to know who they are dealing with when they deal with Carl Turner.
He’s moving to Thailand next year (good riddance) so as a result he is selling all his pigeons, which means he will be offering a lot for sale in the UK over the coming months, so buyer beware folks..
Mark Lyford
PioneerPigeons.com
UPDATE 22ND AUGUST 2026
So the inevitable B.S. started. Carl Turner quickly did what most people do who have no real excuse for their action and started deflecting.
During this time I’ve had multiple people private messaging me about this, all of them saying if I were not happy with the pigeon for any reason, any honest and genuine person would offer to refund the money and you send the pigeon back. But, clearlgy we arent dealing with someone like that.
Instead I get people sending me screen caps of this B.S.he’s been writing.
So apparently he was ‘wanred about me’ yet still message me offering me pigeons. I’m the rogue for asking for a refund of a pigeon that I never agreed to buy. But it gets better, He said he was personally visiting me, (he didn’t and I was in all day) and he said he was blocked and I won’t answer any calls. I did block him on messenger as I figure there was no point in speaking to him any more, but it’s a total lie to say I didnt answer any calls, he still have me on WhatsApp and has my phone number, he made no attempt to call me.
Then he tells people hes coming after me for defamation… Who know’s what for. So the guy goes from sending me a pigeon we didn’t do a deal on and he’s now coming after me for defamation lol. (Remember this is a guy who told me he didn’t have the £1000 to send me back, not sure if he realised courts need money to do stuff… who know what he thinks.)
Then he tells everyone on a public forum to expect a visit from mutual friends with fire emojis. Now that is a threat, but again, what should we expect from scumbags like this. (We know he is or has in the past been big mates with Gary Tomlinson, so the fire emoji is relevant.)
Again, remember this is a guy who sent me a totally different pigeon, all of the haters jumping on the bandwagon calling me all the names under the sun probbaly havent read any of the context of the issue. And again, how many of them would be happy to do a deal with someone and 1/3 of that deal invovle a pigeon that was totally different to the deal that was agreed? None of them, that’s for sure.
I have no idea who Mark Own is, but as usual he is wrong in his “facts” The other idiots are all just big supporters of WDW and Gary Tomlinso, so they are my loyal band of haters who will jump on anything about me. that’s ok, they have had their minds warped by the Master of one loft racing. And again, how many of these people commenting have actually read the real facts of the deal Turner did with me? I’ll guarantee none of them have.
So I thought I would message him, letting him know I have seen everything he has said in public forums.And like the thick scumbag he is the only response he can come back with is four words calling me a nonce.
So I just tell him, send me the original pedigrees he promised and I’ll just put it down as another lesson not to deal with asshole scumbags like him.
So after the brief conversation with him, I just tell him to send me the original pedigrees has he told me he was doing the day before. Like I said in my original post I haven’t got the time or inclination to deal with this idiot any more, it’s not worth it. If he sends me the original pedigrees (which I have already confirmed the ring numbers are what they should be) then I will draw a line under this clown and forget about the little scumbag, plus this post has had over 1200 people see it so far, so it’s served its purpose to warn people. It’s shame there is no trust pilot for this pigeon game, maybe there should be one?
Lastly, someone sent me this
So turned out he is a wannabe bully with small man syndrome, it figures he and Tomlinson are good freinds, they try and work off the same playbook, but as we all know you never give in to or back down the bullies.
Will I get the original pedigrees? If he’s got any sense they should already be in the post to me. If I get them I’ll work with the pigeons I’ve got from him, despite one of them not being the pigeon I thought I was getting and that is that. Another lesson learned to keep you trust circle of good people small and not deal with idiot lowlifes like Carl Turner.
UPDATE 24TH AUGUST 2026
I received the original pedigree of the hen he sent me today. So at least that’s something. I already have 5 birds same way bred as this hen, so I’ll get her back into condition and see where she can fit in .
I guess we just put it down to another life lesson not to deal with idiots. Chapter closed for me though now.